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ALRIGHT i'm posting a new topic SizeMik, AGuest, TaleSin, BroMac, Wannabe, MindBlown, ProdigalSon here you go

by Voices in

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i'm reposting this in a fresh new post because i know people don't always look back lol.

i had to go to sleep to be ready for work.. .

(just kidding!

mind blown

Voices.....Thank You for taking the time to post your song...

I'm very familiar with various styles of electronic music. The thing is, electronic isn't as popular in the US as it once was, though still really big in Europe. There is only one club in Hollywood which still caters to electornic.... http://www.dasbunker.org/.........but most of what they play is old school or new European.

There are also a few record labels catering to electornic but you'd have to look then up. I have long forgotten which ones they were.

A couple of pointers. As a creative, if you're not happy with this style, you should move on to one you're happier with. ((Who's to say you can't have two projects in different styles, it's done all the time))

The other thing is, this song has a quite a " few styles" of electronic sounds which is good, however, lean out to the ones that complement each other. I don't mean your fast to slow pace. I mean actual style/sound.

Believe me, I do know your frustration! Getting a band together is a whole other pain in the ass animal. However, if you can take the time to find the right people and even when you do....sometimes life steps in and they leave for various reasons or egos get in the way. If you're lucky you'll find the right people or may to keep replacing members until the right ones stick. It happens. Don't take it personal.

Now, if you can do projects on your own and or find one other person that you're compatable with, this is a good way to go. HOWEVER, DO THE STYLE YOU LOVE TO DO...

Writing music is a constant process.... hard work...but worth it because you love to create!

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FRUISTRATION!!!!!!!!! SO MUCH THAT IC AN'T EVEN SPELL!

by Voices in

jw
friends

i'm so upset!

i've been trying to get my music out and heard and it seems that no one is willing to give it a chance.

it takes a good second to get the music going.

mind blown

Voices, is this a completed song/songs?

If your songs/song are finished (mixed) you can load it onto Itunes (some pay) to download your song. You can also make your own video on Youtube (good exposure) . Many do live music and book gigs that way (sell their cds at clubs they perform at) . KXLU and other college stations play many unknowns music because it's (uderground and finding unkowns is still sought after). There is also myspace to load your stuff. I'm pretty sure Facebook has something now as well to load music.

I've been a musician for many years...sing, composing, write, play.

If you're composing, singing, playing and producing, you're still a musician. If you're just producing (mixing) then you're a producer/engineer. You don't need to know how to read music in order to be a good musician. Many create by ear.

You can perform solo or you can get a band together. Either way.....you can book your own gigs....coffee houses....clubs (will want to hear your music before booking you) .....for more exposure....

Just make sure your intros aren't too long, people lose interest with long intros (especially if you're trying to get heard).....unless it's an outstanding intro.......

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Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank

by AndersonsInfo in

victoria, australia: report on oct. 11th hearing involving steven unthank.

(this report is from an anonymous xjw who attended the hearing.

i had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling.

mind blown

Extradition Treaty between USA and AUSTRALIA: (note child abuse laws on list)

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_reg/esoar465/sch1.html

Also:

Bruce Beresford recent extradition from USA to Mexico: (he commited his crime in Mexico)

http://documents.latimes.com/bruce-beresford-extradition/

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Australia Jehovah's Witnesses Child Abuse/Governing Body Of Jehovah's Witnesses Court Case

by mind blown in

.. case number: b12083527.

.. case number: b12083108.

.. case number: b12083367.

mind blown

NOTE: one of Barbara Anderson's other posts incase some didn't catch the url link I posted on this thread....Thank You again Barbara

((This report below is from an anonymous XJW who attended the hearing.))

Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank

I had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling. This usually involves a transfer to the County Court or the Supreme Court for a trial unless the defendant pleads "guilty."

Everything changed upon learning that the Watchtower Society (WTS) had instructed elders and others in the congregations to comply with the working with children laws and to actually obtain their working with children cards. Getting the WTS to comply with the laws after three years of refusing to comply was quite an achievement for Steven Unthank. With this development who would not want to sit in on the next court hearing and witness the defense tactics the WTS and their legal team launched to get themselves out of the potential crisis they got themselves into.

And launch they did. In a short space of 90 minutes, the WTS completely destroyed the entire fabric and structure of the faith of some 7 million Jehovah's Witnesses for nothing more than self-preservation. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your view, most Jehovah's Witnesses will never find out.

Before compiling this report I took the opportunity to read through Steven Unthank's web site www.jwnews.net for the purpose of clarifying a few case point overviews and I recommend this to others. For anyone interested in court numbers and proof of court hearings, the Daily Court Listings can be found on the Magistrates' Court of Victoria web site for November 8th.

https://dailylists.magistratesvic.com.au/browse-court-lists/court-itinery-list.aspx?id=97&type=Criminal&date=08/11/2011

My opinions and observations

The best way to comprehend what is going on, from a courtroom perspective, is that the court hearings at the moment are administrative, which in very simplistic terms means 'the shuffling of paperwork' and 'the jostling for position' along with some short case arguments or presentations to the magistrate.

During the court hearing on October 11 th , the Director of Public Prosecutions and the Office of Public Prosecutions (referred to as the Crown) indicated to the court that they intend to take over all five cases. As to why they have not done so previously is anyone's guess. In my opinion I would not be surprised if all five cases have been sort of co-prosecuted and case managed by the Crown and by Steven Unthank working together in a de facto relationship, with Steven Unthank acting in the capacity as acting prosecutor and the Crown as legal adviser. Such an arrangement would be advantageous to the overall prosecution of the cases for two very specific reasons:-

1. Steven Unthank would not have a working knowledge of the criminal justice system; and

2. the Crown would not have a working knowledge of the WTS's corporate religious system and its relationship to Jehovah's Witnesses and each of the defendants.

Many of us, including myself, may have greatly underestimated Steven Unthank's ability or understanding of the court process, the structure of the WTS, its relationship with the Jehovah's Witnesses, and what was needed to launch a criminal prosecution. It has been a long running joke about having the "faithful and discreet slave" charged. But consider this. Everything that happens within the WTS and within the Jehovah's Witnesses is attributed to the entity and class of individuals known within the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses as the "faithful and discreet slave."

According to the Watchtower teachings, the authority of the elder arrangement, their governing body, the branch committees, and also the authority of the lawyers within the congregation and organization, comes from the "faithful and discreet slave." If these elders, governing body members, branch committee members, and lawyers made a mistake over the Working with Children laws then the fault may also lie with the person or legal entity that employs their services, be they corporate services, legal services or religious services. For a criminal trial this has to be explored by the prosecution.

The charging of the "faithful and discreet slave" as a religious body now has the ability to publicly expose the quasi-legal religious relationship they have with the WTS and its legal department. The WTS would no doubt never want this to be publicly exposed and therefore must take action to keep this hidden from scrutiny at all costs. It is irrelevant as to whether any observers believe in the "faithful and discreet slave" or not. It is real to Jehovah's Witnesses and is the entire religious heart of their belief structure.

To understand the court arguments we first need to establish whether the "faithful and discreet slave" exists under Victorian law.

"Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?"

What we do know is that the "faithful and discreet slave" (FDS) have been criminally charged and are being prosecuted as "corporate accused." We also know that there are seven charges on their "Charge-Sheet and Summons (Corporate Accused)" in relation to the Working with Children Act 2005. We do not know what the charges are as these have not yet been read out in court. This will happen in time, but until then it is anyone's guess. In all reality the charge wordings are irrelevant.

Under Victorian law a "corporate accused" can legally be an incorporated entity (a registered company), an association, or an unincorporated body. The FDS is not an incorporated entity (a registered company) and is not an association (no articles of association) so therefore the charge sheet or sheets must list it as an "unincorporated body."

According to the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses, as written in the book "Organized To Do Jehovah's Will" on page 16, the "faithful and discreet slave" are a "body" which Christ uses "to publish information on the fulfillment of Bible prophecies and to give timely direction on the application of Bible principles in daily life." Therefore, the FDS, by their own written admission, are a "body" of individual persons. As they are not incorporated this makes the FDS an unincorporated body similar to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses.

The Working with Children Act 2005 says that a person includes "an unincorporated body or association and a partnership." Therefore, the phrase "person" can also legally be applied to an unincorporated body. This then makes the "faithful and discreet slave" a legal entity under Victorian law, a "person" who operates as an unincorporated body.

The Working with Children Act says that "If this Act provides that a person, being an unincorporated body or an association or a partnership, is guilty of an offence, that reference to the person must--(a) in the case of an unincorporated body or association--be read as a reference to each member of the committee of management of the body or association who knew of, or knowingly authorized or permitted, the commission of the offence."

To simplify, the Working with Children laws recognize unincorporated bodies as a legal entity by granting them legal status as a "person" under law. This was legislated so that there were no loopholes in the law that allowed or permitted anyone, or any group of people, religious or otherwise, from not complying with the Working with Children laws. In the event that a criminal offence is committed by the unincorporated body then the offence is deemed to have been committed by each member of the committee of management of the body.

This understanding is important in that it shows that the FDS have been granted legal recognition under Victorian law as a body that does indeed exist as a legal entity. Why is this important?

During the court hearing on October 11, legal counsel for the Watchtower Society, Rachel van Witsen, from Vincent Toole Solicitors (the WTS's in-house law firm located inside Bethel, Australia) made a statement on behalf of the Watchtower Society that:-

"The faithful and discreet slave is not a legal entity."

Vincent Toole Solicitors then went on to present arguments that the "faithful and discreet slave" do not exist as a "person" nor do they exist as an "unincorporated body" and nor do they exist as a "body" of Christians.

Literally Vincent Toole Solicitors were arguing that the "faithful and discreet slave" should be struck off the charge list because they simply do not exist. In one broad sweeping statement the Watchtower Society and their in-house legal team completely destroyed the entire fabric and structure of the faith of some 7 million Jehovah's Witnesses. What next happened goes beyond the wildest imaginings that any Jehovah's Witness could ever believe was possible.

Steven Unthank stood up, looked around the courtroom, and then actually defended the "faithful and discreet slave" and the beliefs and doctrinal teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses. No one else came to the defense of the FDS. Steven Unthank, as the current acting prosecutor, was the only person who defended them. Unthank then presented argument that the FDS was real and was that body of Jehovah's Witness Christians that had religious responsibility over the entire Christian congregation.

The Watchtower Society and Vincent Toole Solicitors then presented rebuttal argument that the "faithful and discreet slave" did not exist but were nothing more than a:-

"theological arrangement"

A massive gasp could be heard emanating from the gallery from amongst a group of Jehovah's Witnesses who had attended to watch the hearing. It is worth noting that Jehovah's Witnesses are taught that to deny the "faithful and discreet slave" is to deny the Christ and that those who deny the Christ are the antichrist.

The Watchtower Society and Vincent Toole Solicitors then turned on the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses and denied that they existed or operated within Victoria and Australia. The magistrate did not accept this argument and, after seeking approval from Steven Unthank, adjourned all the court hearings for four weeks.

Simply put, the Watchtower Society and Vincent Toole Solicitors denied the existence of the "faithful and discreet slave" and denied the existence of the Christian congregation arrangement. What is also interesting in the entire court case to date is that it was the Watchtower Society and their in-house lawyers that brought theology and religion into the court room.

It is possible that sometime in the future there could be a very serious courtroom hearing in which the whole existence of the "faithful and discreet slave" is argued but not in the way any Jehovah's Witness could imagine. Unless the WTS backs down, or the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses step in and defend their faith, then we could see Steven Unthank actually defending the existence of the FDS and the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses in open public court while the WTS and their lawyers, with the backing of the Governing Body, deny the existence of the FDS and maybe even the Christian congregation. And if such a courtroom drama ever unfolds, then at any given time Steven Unthank could back down and the FDS become no more than a never existing group of imaginary Christians who are really nothing more than a convenient "theological arrangement" whom Jehovah's Witnesses mistakenly believe exist and are their spiritual leaders who care about them.

The only party not represented was the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. This is logical from a self-preserving religious point of view, as to defend the charges would be to acknowledge each single charge as being a "valid charge of improper conduct." This would then disqualify each member from being an elder until the case was sorted out.

This failure on the part of the Governing Body to appear or to be represented was noticed by the Magistrate who took the unusual step of suggesting and recommending to Steven Unthank that criminal charges be brought against every single member of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses as opposed to the unincorporated body known as the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. The only thing that may actually prevent this from really happening is that Steven Unthank lacks the financial resources. Good thing the Crown stated in court its intention to take over the prosecution.

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Australia Jehovah's Witnesses Child Abuse/Governing Body Of Jehovah's Witnesses Court Case

by mind blown in

.. case number: b12083527.

.. case number: b12083108.

.. case number: b12083367.

mind blown

@ Igot2bme......THAT WOULD BE FANTASTICK!!!

I tried contacting a news station myself via internet. I will try again. I hope more of us try to contact the news media! I'm also a sexual abuse victime of a JW brother. I was just a little 6 year old girl at the time...my innocence was stolen from me The vidid incident, til this day, is forever carved in my mind.

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Australia Jehovah's Witnesses Child Abuse/Governing Body Of Jehovah's Witnesses Court Case

by mind blown in

.. case number: b12083527.

.. case number: b12083108.

.. case number: b12083367.

mind blown

Barbara Anderson originally provided this information. I've reposted in hopes "current heading/tag words" will have a better chance w/google search.

Barbara received rest of info below from someone who acutally attended the court hearing...IT'S RIVETING!!!! Plus lots more info & comments!!!

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/217233/1/Victoria-Australia-Report-on-Oct-11th-hearing-involving-Steven-Unthank

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Australia Jehovah's Witnesses Child Abuse/Governing Body Of Jehovah's Witnesses Court Case

by mind blown in

.. case number: b12083527.

.. case number: b12083108.

.. case number: b12083367.

mind blown

Court Hearing Results

October 11, 2011

The results of the second round of court hearings held on October 11, 2011, are as follows:

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Case Number: B12083527

Acting Prosecutor: Mr Steven Unthank

Accused: GOVERNING BODY OF JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES

The accused failed to appear and was not represented by legal counsel.

Results: The Magistrate recommended that each member of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses also be individually charged over breaches of the Working with Children Act. The case was adjourned for four weeks. If the accused fails to appear at the next hearing then warrants can be issued for their arrest.

Next Court hearing date: 08 November 2011

Hearing Type: Mention

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Case Number: B12083108

Acting Prosecutor: Mr Steven Unthank

Accused: CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES

Legal argument for the accused was presented by lawyers representing the Watchtower Society, including that the accused did not operate within Australia as a corporation or as a religion.

An application was made by the Crown (the Director of Public Prosecutions) for an adjournment for four weeks so that Victoria Police could complete an investigation and so that the Crown can prepare to take over the case.

Results: The Magistrate conferred with Mr Unthank who approved the request made by the Crown. The case was adjourned for four weeks.

Next Court hearing date: 08 November 2011

Hearing Type: Mention

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Case Number: B12083367

Acting Prosecutor: Mr Steven Unthank

Accused: FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE

Legal argument for the accused was presented by lawyers representing the Watchtower Society, including that the accused did not exist.

An application was made by the Crown (the Director of Public Prosecutions) for an adjournment for four weeks so that Victoria Police could complete an investigation and so that the Crown can prepare to take over the case.

Results: The Magistrate conferred with Mr Unthank who approved the request made by the Crown. The case was adjourned for four weeks.

Next Court hearing date: 08 November 2011

Hearing Type: Mention

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Case Number: B12082206

Acting Prosecutor: Mr Steven Unthank

Accused: WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF AUSTRALIA

The accused was represented by Vincent Toole Solicitors. No legal arguments for the accused was presented.

An application was made by the Crown (the Director of Public Prosecutions) for an adjournment for four weeks so that Victoria Police could complete an investigation and so that the Crown can prepare to take over the case.

Results: The Magistrate conferred with Mr Unthank who approved the request made by the Crown. The case was adjourned for four weeks.

Next Court hearing date: 08 November 2011

Hearing Type: Mention

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Case Number: B12083833

Acting Prosecutor: Mr Steven Unthank

Accused: WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF PENNSYLVANIA, INC.

Legal argument for the accused was presented by lawyers representing the Watchtower Society that the documents served on lawyers representing the Watchtower Society were not officially served on lawyers representing the Watchtower Society as these lawyers did not represent the Watchtower Society.

An application was made by the Crown (the Director of Public Prosecutions) for an adjournment for four weeks so that Victoria Police could complete an investigation and so that the Crown can prepare to take over the case.

Results: The Magistrate conferred with Mr Unthank who approved the request made by the Crown. The case was adjourned for four weeks.

Next Court hearing date: 08 November 2011

Hearing Type: Mention

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FOOTNOTES:

Mention – a mention hearing is an administrative hearing of a case to allow a magistrate to follow the progress of the proceeding. The accused is also given the opportunity to plead guilty at this hearing.

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Link to Magistrates’ Court of Victoria official Criminal Trial Listings for October 11, 2011: http://bit.ly/n4glLG

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JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES HIERARCHY CHARGED

July 26, 2011

IMMEDIATE PRESS RELEASE: 26 JULY 2011

Link to related page: http://wp.me/P1G1hC-5T
Link to this Web Page for reposting: http://jwnews.net

Worldwide Church Hierarchy Charged With Child Abuse

AUSTRALIA: The entire worldwide religious and corporate hierarchy of the church of Jehovah’s Witnesses were formally charged today in the State of Victoria, Australia, with the mass committing of criminal offences against children.

Criminal charges were officially filed today in the Magistrates’ Court of Victoria, Australia, against the entire worldwide religious and corporate hierarchy of the church of Jehovah’s Witnesses. The charges allege ongoing breaches of the Victorian Working with Children Act 2005 as it applies to “religious organisations”.

An initial 35 criminal charges, alleging breaches of mandatory child protection laws, were individually filed against the following corporations and bodies as named in the court documents:

Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses (7 charges)
Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania (7 charges)
Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia (7 charges)
Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses (7 charges)
Faithful and Discreet Slave (7 charges)

All of the accused legally form part of the Committee of Management for the Religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses in the State of Victoria.

Each of the 35 charges carries a fine of up to Au$144,000.

All charges are in relation to allegations of unlawful activities carried out within the Traralgon Kingdom Hall of Jehovah’s Witnesses by the entire Body of Elders within the Traralgon Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

All current members of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses are also facing potential arrest and charging in relation to each alleged offence as they

“knew of, or knowingly authorised or permitted, the commission of the offence.”

If convicted they individually face up to two years imprisonment per “offence” and even the possibility of being placed on the state’s Sex Offenders register.

It is expected that over 100 additional sets of criminal charges could be laid as more evidence comes to light and more offences are formally identified.

The total number of corporate and individual charges could exceed several thousand with some estimates tipping that they could easily pass the 10,000 mark being spread across all congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses operating within the State of Victoria.

The filing of all 35 charges was formally approved by Victoria’s Chief Magistrate after the Department of Justice carried out a thorough review of the evidence and application of the legislation and law as it applies to “religious organisations” including within the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

The first round of charges were then filed today by Mr Steven Unthank.

Mr Unthank had recently given testimony at the Protecting Victoria’s Vulnerable Children Inquiry held last month on 8 June 2011 in relation to the refusal of the entire Committee of Management for the Religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses to comply with mandatory child protection laws, which primarily prevents convicted sex offenders, child rapists, drug dealers, and murders from having access to children across a range of industries and organisations.

All court fees for the filing of the charges were donated by a number of children, through their parents, for and on behalf of all children within the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Following the filing of the charges, the Registrar of the Magistrates’ Court of Victoria, acting under direct instruction from the Chief Magistrate, formally referred the case to the Office of Public Prosecutions which is the statutory authority responsible for preparing and conducting criminal prosecutions in Victoria.

In relation to the seriousness of the charges and allegations of wide spread child abuse and neglect within the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses, a formal submission to the Australian Senate is now being prepared for the purpose of requesting an immediate Senate inquiry into the alleged ongoing criminal activities being committed within Australia by the Committee of Management for the Religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Many members of the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses, and their families, are now demanding the immediate resignation or removal of the entire Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses and the entire Board of Directors of the Watch Tower Society as well as the forming of church-based Judicial Committees in relation to these serious child abuse charges. This has been made even more urgent by the fact that every charge is an indictable criminal offence, with the victim being a child, and every alleged perpetrator being a current church elder holding a position of responsibility within the religion.

In commenting on the filing of the criminal charges in the Magistrates’ Court today, Mr Steven Unthank has released the following personal statement

“The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watch Tower Society knew about these child protection laws and refused to comply from the outset. They were notified well before the laws were made compulsory for “religious organisations.”
“They ignored the counsel and the need to comply. They were then warned that they could face criminal charges. They did nothing about it and nothing to protect the children and nothing to protect the name and reputation of the church.
“Even the Department of Justice notified them and offered to assist them in complying with mandatory child safety laws. This included an offer to conduct training and information sessions. The State Government had previously waived all the fees so that the religion could comply without a financial burden to anyone. The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watch Tower Society completely ignored the offer of help.
“Again they were informed that they were still facing imminent charges and were given an opportunity to sort the matter out. They refused mediation.
“They were also given the opportunity to have the complaints of serious wrongdoing and allegations of breaches of child protection laws heard within the church format under the religious category of “sins”. They refused to even conduct an initial investigation to establish whether there is substance to the report and whether evidence is available showing that a serious sin actually has been committed.
“So now the complaints will be heard under the Criminal Code as indictable “crimes”. This was approved following an initial investigation by the Department of Justice to establish whether there is substance to the report and whether evidence is available showing that a crime may have actually been committed.
“Why they never contacted the one complaining against them at law to settle the matter quickly while they were on the way to court is serious cause for alarm. To contact the “complainant” before he officially becomes the “informant” is church doctrine and a religious obligation. To sort out a dispute before it gets to court is not negotiable within the church format. It must be done. If absolutely no attempt is made, then the accused loses all rights of objection to having been charged with an offence under criminal law.
“The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watch Tower Society outright refused to follow their very own procedures. They now have only have themselves to blame. You reap what you sow.
“These men are no longer free from accusation and neither do they have a fine testimony even from people on the outside of the congregation. They are no longer blameless.
“As of 31 March 2011, 738,563 adults from all walks of life within the Victorian community have formally complied with the Working with Children laws and undergone child safety checks to verify that they are not convicted criminals, so that they can continue their duties within the organisations they work or volunteer in and where children are present.
“The Victorian community will not tolerate any religious organisation that refuses to comply with mandatory child protection laws with claims that their church elders and officers are exempt from child protection laws. They are not and any claim of being “exempt”, regardless of who issued that claim, is an outright lie. The Department of Justice has not issued any exemption to any religious organisation. These child protection laws apply to “religious organisations” by default.
“Children form part of every congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Elders are appointed by the Committee of Management for the Religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses as overseers in each congregation. As overseers they are continually instructed that part of their Internal Ministry involves shepherding the children and being available to assist children, help children, mentor children, and to encourage children to join the local congregation’s Ministry School as a student. This is called working with children.
“The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watch Tower Society have refused to comply with legal requirements in relation to the activities of their appointed corporate officers and representatives and elders. For refusing to comply they have been criminally charged under corporate law literally in relation to their activities as corporate officers of a “religious organisation.”
“This has never had anything to do with preaching activities and the preaching work of the members of the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Those activities are protected under freedom of religion. The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watch Tower Society have always been made aware of this undisputed fact.
“They ignored the counsel and as a result have been charged with criminal offences. You can’t undo being charged. You can’t hide being charged. You can’t deny being charged. Once charged with committing criminal offences against children always charged. This is child abuse. Negligent child abuse that has resulted in being charged with the committing of criminal offences against children.
“These men are no longer irreprehensible. They refused to protect the children and the church. They abandoned the congregation and the children.
“And now that they’re being held accountable, will they be the loudest to scream violations of human rights and freedom of religion and religious persecution?
“Not likely! Corporations do not have human rights. Only humans have human rights. Freedom of Religion only applies to humans. It does not apply to corporations or unincorporated bodies and associations. And as for any claim of Religious Persecution–being held accountable for the committing of criminal offences against children can hardly be the basis for one’s claim of being persecuted.
“It’s time for these men to be removed from their office of overseer. They themselves have gone on record and said that “anyone in a responsible position who is guilty of child abuse would be removed from his responsibilities without hesitation.”
“It’s time for their own removal. Or will they have themselves declared righteous and claim that they are exempt from their own rules they enforce within the congregation?
“A ten point Special Resolution was presented earlier this year to the Voting Members of the Watch Tower Society for adoption. The resolution appears on page 589 of the 664 page Religious Manifesto entitled “A Submission”.
“This Religious Manifesto, which provides damning evidence of the breadth and scope of criminal activities being committed within the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia, is the very same document that was thoroughly reviewed by the Department of Justice before the Chief Magistrate authorised the filing of criminal charges against the entire Committee of Management for the Religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses, namely the entire worldwide religious and corporate hierarchy of the church of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
“The time has come for this resolution to be unanimously adopted by the accused. They have 14 days.”
FOR MORE INFO:
http://www.jwnews.net/
NOTE: Reposted for Google search

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Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank

by AndersonsInfo in

victoria, australia: report on oct. 11th hearing involving steven unthank.

(this report is from an anonymous xjw who attended the hearing.

i had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling.

mind blown

@ScenicViewer

Good points! Looks suspicious, doesn't it?!! An Orgaized man?! Sounds rather like the Mafia..even the part of Viv being sent away....lol...

From everything I'm reading, it doesn't look like the Crown is buying "any" of the WTS attorney excuses or rebuttals. it's not going to be so cut n dry as to say "it's all been sorted out" due to the following:

http://www.jwnews.net/....NOTE: in relation to the seriousness of the charges and allegations of "wide spread child abuse" and neglect within the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses, a formal submission to the Australian Senate is now being prepared for the purpose of requesting an immediate "Senate inquiry" into the alleged ongoing criminal activities being committed within Australia by the Committee of Management for the Religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

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Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank

by AndersonsInfo in

victoria, australia: report on oct. 11th hearing involving steven unthank.

(this report is from an anonymous xjw who attended the hearing.

i had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling.

mind blown

http://vimeo.com/25581273

http://www.silentlambs.org/Souter.htm

You mean Harold Viv Mouritz that's mentioned in theses child abuse articles? Maybe he knew too much or was told by GB how to handle these cases so they sent him away so he can't point the finger?

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Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank

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victoria, australia: report on oct. 11th hearing involving steven unthank.

(this report is from an anonymous xjw who attended the hearing.

i had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling.

mind blown

correction in typo......GB "can" be extradited to face charges.